is God a Trinity?


Some once told me to prove the doctrine of the Trinity from the Scripture using my own words. It is not hard to do. It is very long and will take at least three posts. I must say that I had a great time doing this.

God is triune. He is one God who has manifested himself in three divine persons: Father,Son and Holy Spirit. Each person is fully divine,equal with the other two; yet they are not three Gods, but one. First before I begin on the Biblical evidences that prove the Trinity and disprove the false doctrine of oneness,we must agree with the statement below because the evidence of the Trinity is based on the Scriptures.

“The Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments are the Word of God,inspired by the Spirit of God equally in all parts (commonly called plenary [“full’] inspiration),including not only the ideas but also the very words (commonly called verbal inspiration),so that what is written is without error (inerrant) whether of doctrine,fact,or precept. Or,more briefly,”What Scripture says,God says-through human agents and without error.” The Scriptures are complete and sufficient. Nothing is left out that God wanted in them,and nothing is in them that God wanted out. And nothing is to be added to them or taken from them. Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith and practice.” THE INSPIRATION OF THE SCRIPTURES 1. BIBLIOLOGY (The Doctrine of the Bible) A. Part One: by Leon Stump

Those of you who do not believe in the doctrine of the inspiration of the scriptures as stated above don’t need to continue.

Second thing we must agree upon is that Jesus Christ is not a liar. That is important when you consider the following Scriptures. In all of the following Scriptures,Jesus talks about himself and his Father as if they were separate beings. Jesus’ words make it perfectly clear that the when He walked this earth, the Father was still in heaven. Note the following scriptures.

Matthew 10:32 Whoever acknowledges me before men,I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven,33 But whoever disowns me before men,I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

God is Triune or Jesus would have said, “Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before me in heaven,33 But whoever disowns me before men,I will disown him before me in heaven.” Now either Jesus is on earth and the Father is in heaven or Jesus has lied to us in that scripture above.

John 14:28 You heard me say,’I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me,you would be glad that I am going to the Father,for the Father is greater than I.

In this scripture Jesus says he is going to the Father. He didn’t say that he is going away to himself. He didn’t say that He was the Father because God is One. He said He was going to the Father. To anyone who understands plain language that means that Jesus is one place and the Father is in another otherwise why would Jesus say,”I am going away and I am going TO the Father.”

Now of course,Jesus could be playing games with us. He could know that He is the Father because there is only One God. He is just trying to see how many stupid humans He can sucker in to believe this false idea that the Father is one place and He is in another place and that he was going to leave and go to the Father.

Then there is the second half of that Scripture where Jesus says,”The Father is greater than I.” Jesus must have meant to say,”I am greater than I.” That is the only way this can be twisted to support the oneness doctrine.

John 14:31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

Jesus is once again playing games with us stupid humans. Since Jesus knows that there is no such thing as a Trinity,He should have said,”I love me and I do exactly what I tell me to do.”

John 15:23 He who hates me hates my Father as well.

Here is another place where either Jesus knows that he and the Father are two Persons of the Godhead or He is lying to us. If Jesus knows that there is no such thing as a Trinity,He would have had to say,”He who hates me hates me as well.”

John 16:7-15 7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away,the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go,I will send HIM to you. 8When HE comes,HE will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgement. 9 in regard to sin,because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father,where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgement,because the prince of this world now stands condemned. 12 I have much more to say to you; more than you can now bear. 13 but when he, the Spirit of truth,comes,HE will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

This passage gives the oneness people real problems. Jesus once again says that He is going to go to the Father implying that He is in one place and the Father is in another otherwise He wouldn’t have to go to the Father.

But that isn’t all. Jesus says that once He leaves and goes to the Father he will send the Holy Spirit He said that he was going to go to the Father who Jesus said in other scriptures is in heaven. Once in heaven with the Father,Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to us.

There are only two possible explanations of this passage. Either Jesus lied to us in this scripture or God is Triune. Otherwise Jesus would have had to say when he leaves and goes to himself he would send himself back to us

Here is another place that has got to give oneness people fits. It will be interesting to see how they twist this. . The Baptism of Jesus Matthew 3:16As soon as Jesus was baptized,he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened,and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. 17 And a voice from Heaven said, “This is my Son,whom I love; with him I am well pleased.

In this passage we have Jesus in the Jordan,the Holy Ghost descending from heaven and a voice from heaven. All three Persons of the Trinity are evident here. Otherwise where did that voice come from? The Bible says heaven. Then who is speaking? Is Jesus a ventriloquist and throwing His voice?

The following passage is another place where Jesus must have been throwing His voice.

The Transfiguration

Matthew 17:5 While he (Peter) was still speaking,a bright loud enveloped them, and a voice from the cloud said,”This is my son,whom I love; With him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

These scriptures aren’t the only ones that make this point. If I had copied all of the Scripture in just the Gospel of John alone where Jesus talks of his Father in heaven, I would have had pages of passages to deal with.

That isn’t all. Jesus prayed. He didn’t pray to himself but to someone else. No we know that Jesus is God. To whom then was he praying in the following passages?

Matthew 27:46 My God,my God,why have you forsaken me?

Gethsemane Mark 36 “Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Ye not what I will,but what you will.”

Mark 36 “Father,” he said,”everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Ye not what I will,but what you will.”

Then there are the places where Jesus at His trial before his death was asked if He is the Messiah. Before the Sanhedrin Mark 14: 62 “I am.” Jesus said. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Luke 22:69 But from now on,the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the Mighty God.

At this most serious time,Jesus said that he would be at the right hand of the Mighty God. He didn’t say that he would be seated at his own right hand but at the right hand of someone else. He tells these men who are about to kill him that one day they will see Him sitting at the right hand of his Father.

Oneness people are going to answer with all of the places where Jesus said that He and the Father are one. He did indeed say that. What does that mean? The Bible says that I am my husband are one also. Does that mean that I am both my husband and me? Not at all.

The Bible says that the church is one. You have to interrupt the scriptures where Jesus says that He and his Father are one in light of the Scriptures above and the hundreds like them that I didn’t quote here. To do otherwise is to do violence to the plain truth of God as revealed in the Scriptures. If you are going to base any belief on the Scriptures,you must take all of what the Bible says about that topic not just the Scriptures you like or fit what you want to believe. You would have to cut all of scriptures above out the Bible to even begin to prove that oneness is true.

Many times oneness people want you to tell them ” In what name are we to baptize people in according to Acts?” Have they thrown that at you yet? Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Again one has to take all of what the Bible says on any given subject and not just the scriptures that one likes best or the ones that best fit what one wants to believe.

I am going to quote some things written on this topic by some folks who know what they are talking about.

“The New Testament is clear that “the Father” is God. Notice carefully one of the texts we have already cited,1 Corinthians 8:6-“Yet for us there is but one God,the Father,from whom all things and for whom we live….” 2 Thessalonians 2:13-17 reads,But we ought always to thank God for you,brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. He called you to this through our gospel,that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers,stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you,whether by word of mouth or by letter. May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father,who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope,encourage your hearts and strengthen you in ever good deed and word. That “God” in the first sentence to whom Paul gives thanks is the Father is evident from the way he passes on to mention the Lord Jesus Christ. God (that is,the Father),he says,called them through the gospel that they might share in the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. Then he adds,”May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father…,” clearly marking the distinction between the two. Neither modalism (that God is one person,acting in three different ways) nor the belief that Jesus and the Father are the same persons are possible according to countless plain statements of fact in the New Testament. To conclude either of these is to strip untold statements of plain,obvious meaning. Peter introduces his first epistle: Peter, an apostle Hebrews 1:4-7,13; and 2:2,3,5-So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again,”I will be his Father,and he will be my Son”? And again,when God brings his firstborn into the world,he says,”Let all God’s angels worship him.” In speaking of the angels he says,”He makes his angels winds,his servants flames of fire.” (1:4-7) To which of the angels did God ever say,”Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”? (1:13) For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation,which was first announced by the Lord….It is not to angels that he has subjected the world to come,about which we are speaking. (2:2-5)

As for the idea that Jesus is the Father or that He,the Father and the Holy Spirit are only modes or manifestations of a single Person,almost every page of the New Testament contains more than one statement that contradicts it. The only way anyone could hold this view would be to forsake rationality and strip plain words of their plain meaning,making them sheer nonsense. It would mean that the Father was His own Son and the Son His own Father,and that when the Father sent the Son He sent Himself,that He came from Himself,all of which is absurd. It would mean that when the Father spoke from heaven at the descent of the Spirit upon the Son,saying,”This is my Son,whom I love; with him I am well pleased” (Matthew 3:17),it was only the Son “throwing His voice” into the clouds like a ventriloquist,and that the Father only loved Himself and was pleased with Himself. It would mean that Stephen had a false revelation when,at the point of death from stoning,he cried,”I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God” (Acts 7:56). The “oneness” of Father and Son of which Jesus spoke (John 10:30; 14:9,10) is a unity,not an identity of persons,just as a husband is one with his wife. When Jesus said,”Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9),He did not and could not mean that He Himself was the Father,but only that He was just like the Father. This is evident from the statements immediately following in verses 10-13: “I am in the Father,and …the Father is in me,” and “I am going to the Father.” Besides,it would flatly contradict plain statements He made elsewhere-“No one has ever seen God [that is,the Father],but God the One and Only [that is,the Son],who is at the Father’s side,has made him known” (John 1:18),and “No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father” (John 6:46). It is obvious,then,that He meant He was exactly like the Father. As Hebrews 1:3 puts it,”The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation [Greek,image or photograph] of his being.” We could go on and on,but suffice it to say that the entire New Testament militates against any such view that there is no distinction of the persons of the Father and the Son. And any talk of the need for a revelation from God to understand it to be so is foolishness. ”

Leon Stump in The Doctrine of the Trinity

Holy Ghost is God Ananias and Sapphria Acts 5:3-4 Then Peter said,”Ananias,how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received from the land? 4Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold,wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God.

1 Corinthians 2:9-11 reads: However,as it is written: “No eye has seen,no ear has heard,no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him”-but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things,even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. That the Spirit “searches all things,even the deep things of God” and “knows the thoughts of God” seems to necessarily imply His deity. And in 2 Corinthians 3:16-18 also the Holy Spirit is identified with “the Lord”: But whenever anyone turns to the Lord,the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit,and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we,who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory,which comes from the Lord,who is the Spirit.

In Hebrews 10:15,16,the author uses the terms “the Holy Spirit” and “the Lord [YHWH]” interchangeably: The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts,and I will write them on their minds.” (Hebrews 10:15,16)

A number of NT passages seem to treat the Holy Spirit impersonally….Thus the Spirit is able to fill or endow a person (Lk.4:1; Acts 2:4; etc.),or is granted as a gift (Lk.11:13; Rom.5:5; etc.),or is poured out like fluid (Acts 2:17f.; Tit.3:6)….On the other hand,the NT contains a number of references to the Spirit or Paraclete that are undeniably personal. The Spirit speaks (Acts 21:11),searches (1 Cor.2:10),bears witness and intercedes (Rom.8:16,26),teaches (Jn14:26), apportions gifts (1 Cor. 12:11),exercises will (Acts 16:6f.),can be grieved (Eph.4:30),reflects (Acts 15:28),appoints (20:28),sends (13:4),and is lied to (5:3). The Johannine account of the Paraclete is especially rich in personal language….On the one hand,the apparently impersonal statements are not conclusive. For even if the Spirit is a gift,persons can be gifts-as the Son is in Jn.3:16….What tips the balance in favor of a personal concept of the Spirit in the NT generally is the appearance of the Spirit’s name in bi- and triadic formulas. Thus,if in Rom.8:26,34 Paul attributes the same intercessory function to Christ and the Spirit,and if intercession is a personal function,and if Christ is a person,then a reasonable inference is that the Spirit is a person too. The same is true of the reference to “another counselor” in Jn.14:16 (cf. Heb.10:5-8,15-17,29). NT triadic formulas (Mt.28:19 [“…baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”]; Rom.14:17f. [“…righteousness,peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God”]; Gal.3:11-14; 4:6 [“…God sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts,the Spirit who calls out,’Abba,Father'”]; 2 Cor.1:21f. [“Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,set his seal of ownership on us,and put his Spirit in our hearts”]; 2 Cor.3:3; 13:14 [“May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all”]; 1 Pet.1:2 [“…chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,through the sanctifying work of the Spirit,for obedience to Jesus Christ”]; etc.) are similarly suggestive….[O]n balance the NT data present and support a personal concept of the Spirit. ISBE,Geoffrey W. Bromiley, gen.ed.; Eerdmans: Grand Rapids,MI; 1988,Vol.4,p.916,”Trinity” by Cornelius Plantinga,Jr.) Note from my Bible All three persons of the Trinity are involved in Jesus’ baptism. Here and elsewhere in Scripture God is revealed as one essence existing in three distinct persons who share a common divine nature: Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Thus,God is singular in one sense and plural in another. Scripture declares that God is one being–a perfect unity of one nature and essence. Of the persons in the Godhead none is God without the others and each with the other is God. attributes,power


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